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Weigh Stations

Unread postby mikhen on Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:57 pm

I was behind a 5th wheel and a TT today. I was not towing, just driving. We passed a temporary/ portable weigh station. The police officer waved in the 5th wheel and TT. In previous threads on the other forum, the general assumption was no, RV's do not get called in. I know I've passed these stations in the past and never stopped. Just a new take on this I thought I'd mention.
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Re: Weigh Stations

Unread postby catmom on Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:39 pm

Interesting. Was either of them being delivered (i.e. towed by a truck with a trailer hauling service sign)? We passed several such combinations last week (or rather, they passed us :) ). I would guess, since they are commercial deliveries, they might be required to stop. We don't stop at the fixed ones, but I guess if waved over, we'd have to.
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Re: Weigh Stations

Unread postby cwit on Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:47 pm

Do you mind my asking what state you were in? In Ny I have stoped when the lights were flashing and they told me they were to busy to weigh my camper .
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Unread postby mikhen on Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:21 pm

It was in Pa. And I have no idea if it was a delivery service.
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Re: Weigh Stations

Unread postby ramblemutt on Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:02 pm

Was it possible that these were not weight police but that this was some kind of safety inspection? I've seen, from time to time, these mobile safety check stations (that include weighing) and they seem to pull over whomever they please. Usually commercial vehicles, but I've seen them pull over passenger cars and trucks as well. Pretty much random as far as I could tell.
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Re: Weigh Stations

Unread postby PrivatePilot on Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:03 pm

The laws change from province to province and state to state - some state only "commercial vehicles" need to enter the scales, and many others state that vehicles over "X" weight must enter.

Technically I'm over the weight that many of these scales speculate so I *should* be entering, but I've passed countless scales in the last few weeks and had no problems.

If it was a hotshot driver making a delivery, they are considered commercial carriers so they must enter the scales regardless of what they're towing, so maybe that's what you saw. Either that, just a RV'er interpreting the law literally and pulling in because he knew he was over the weight on the sign.
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Re: Weigh Stations

Unread postby skipnchar on Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:44 pm

I'm not certain about laws in every state but I HAVE towed in every state and never stopped at a weight station. I can also tell you that MOST of them will politely ask that you get your RV out of the way so the folks out there earning a living on the road can do their business and be on their way.

Of course though, ANY time an officer gives you instructions you should always follow them so if you're waved over you have to stop WHEREVER it is.
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Re: Weigh Stations

Unread postby Mike in Calgary on Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:00 pm

I've only ever heard of this being done in one place and that's British Columbia. They will set up portable scales for RVer's only and you had better be within your weights or they can and will pull you off the road. I've never seen them myself, but have talked to folks who have been stopped at them for inspection. The regular weigh stations are still the exclusive domain of commercial traffic.
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Re: Weigh Stations

Unread postby PrivatePilot on Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:32 pm

Mike in Calgary wrote:I've only ever heard of this being done in one place and that's British Columbia.


Ditto. They seem to have a bug up their arse there for RV'ers, and this was one of the main reasons that I made sure I was registered to cover my actual weight (which cost me quite alot more for my licence plate sticker as I'm now classed commercial) instead of running in registered for the truck weight only.

We never saw any RV inspection stations when we passed through BC so we were never hassled, but we were ready.
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Re: Weigh Stations

Unread postby MCBOWERS on Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:17 pm

Mike in Calgary wrote: The regular weigh stations are still the exclusive domain of commercial traffic.


Mikhen was refering to TEMPORARY weight stations for those that missed his point BUT in the lower 48 it seems no two states have similar laws but i thing is for sure ,commercial traffic is not the only priorty of weight stations as u go cross country,or even interstates in California.Permit loads which include oversize [usually width] which i towed for 10 years,[my own 30 ' boat W/ a 9 1/2 ' beam] required me to ALWAYS STOP [but not always get weighed].

I suspect there are will be more weight & saftey checks in for RV'ers in the future ,ESPICIALLY those that really look rediculious [33footer behind a short wheelbase TV] JMO!
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Re: Weigh Stations

Unread postby cwit on Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:12 am

I can buy a short box 1 ton without duel wheels and I don't want a long box.
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Re: Weigh Stations

Unread postby mikhen on Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:26 am

Is there a law concerning length of TV and trailer? If there is, where is it located? I've seen the guide already and if that's what we should go by, most combinations I see are well over that limit.
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Re: Weigh Stations

Unread postby PrivatePilot on Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:47 am

mikhen wrote:Is there a law concerning length of TV and trailer? If there is, where is it located? I've seen the guide already and if that's what we should go by, most combinations I see are well over that limit.


The laws change depending on state/province, and also depending on load configuration. I think it's pretty consistent at 75 feet across most of Canada but I'm unsure about most states. Remember that one is held to the laws of whatever province/state they are in when it comes to trailer configuration (doubles, for example) and length, so you must do your homework ahead of time.
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Re: Weigh Stations

Unread postby skipnchar on Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:16 am

The question has been asked many times on another forum and NOBODY has ever been able to show evidence of any LAW, RULE or REGULATION concerning the ratio of length of trailer vs tow vehicle. They always point to a "rule of thumb" which simply means someone made up one. There is little doubt that a longer wheelbase makes towing more comfortable as they do tend to travel straighter but it is NOT necessary for everyone to have the OPTIMAL towing set up. If that were the case we'd ALL be towing with a Peterbuilt because even with a pop up, nobody would argue that it wouldn't tow the pop up trailer BETTER than those one tons sometimes used. :)
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Re: Weigh Stations

Unread postby Limey on Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:30 pm

Well, I was going to post a long reply, but Skip said pretty much exactly what I was going to say. My fifth wheel is longer overall than my TT was but the combined length is less and it is more stable. Rules of thumb are just that, and maybe good advice but certainly there are no laws covering TV wheelbase to length of trailer. The best law to follow is Common Sense!
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Re: Weigh Stations

Unread postby leadm55 on Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:51 pm

Here is a website that gives maximum lengths for each state.
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Re: Weigh Stations

Unread postby Limey on Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:50 pm

leadm55 wrote:Here is a website that gives maximum lengths for each state.
http://stevecaseys.dealerweb.myrvadvant ... fault.aspx

There are many sites which give overall lengths - many of them are wrong in many instances and the only way to get an accurate number is to contact the DOT in the state being driven through. However, the comment made earlier was not about the overall length of the combined rig, but the length of the trailer in comparison to the wheelbase of the tow vehicle.

This http://www.rvtowingtips.com/how-long.htm is a link to the location where everyone usually gets their information on 'guidelines/rule of thumb' etc. However, if you read it all, it does not address 5th wheels.
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Re: Weigh Stations

Unread postby mikhen on Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:03 pm

Limey,
That's the site I looked at before, but if you start figuring stuff out, most of us would be driving long bed pickups. It may be the correct info, but it's hard to believe that you need a long bed truck for a 25' trailer.
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Re: Weigh Stations

Unread postby MCBOWERS on Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:41 pm

mikhen wrote:Limey,
it's hard to believe that you need a long bed truck for a 25' trailer.



Well, thats better than a short w/b TV such as a Exploder or a Tahoe trying to pull a 33 footer[30'TT] JMO
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Re: Weigh Stations

Unread postby mikhen on Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:39 pm

MCBOWERS wrote:
mikhen wrote:Limey,
it's hard to believe that you need a long bed truck for a 25' trailer.



Well, thats better than a short w/b TV such as a Exploder or a Tahoe trying to pull a 33 footer[30'TT] JMO


I pull a 30' with my short base Avalanche.
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Unread postby skipnchar on Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:02 pm

This should be within the "Rule of Thumb" for a 25 footer :)
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Unread postby Mike in Calgary on Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:41 pm

skipnchar wrote:This should be within the "Rule of Thumb" for a 25 footer :)
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Re: Weigh Stations

Unread postby Limey on Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:10 am

Skip - does that have a fifth wheel hitch or a bumper pull?
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